Natalee Ann Holloway - "Missing for 4 years"

[LoRain]

... or the MB "witnesses" ... or Tim Miller ... or T.J. Ward ... or the frozen condom witness ... or the ex-Secret Service agent .. etcetera, etcetera.

When a case is larded with people motivated by $$, social standing and all things save for the truth, there's little chance that Natalee Holloway's fate will ever be known. It's a continuing exercise in wheel spinning.

Which is a damn shame....IMO...

[yankee-in-france]

Alle Kretenzers zijn leugenaars. ~Epimenides

English, please?

[iquitos]

English, please?

all cretans are liars.

[yankee-in-france]

Thanks, IQ, and now perhaps we can stay with English in the discussion threads excepting the DDDR.

[Knipoog]

Make that the DDDR Yif.

TIA.

Ever seen the movie "Goodbye Lenin"?

[WordsofWisdom]

"The information taken" when covering the press conference, (which is what journalists do) was nothing more than showing an official document from the immigration records that was presented by these 2 people.

In contrast, a press conference was held by Beth with Jug Twitty in tow, where JK2 were named kidnappers, rapists, and murderers. (Which she later had to apologize for but still continued to say it from the U.S.) She has also knowingly lied and presented to the media various statements that turned out to be false.

Is that also the journalists fault for covering Beth's lies?
It is ONLY if statements are made that have no supporting evidence AND it is presented as fact.
It was presented as fact by Beth using many U.S. Media sources.

It is the job of a journalist to do fact finding if the journalist makes a conclusion. The only conclusion that Renee' G spoke of (and showed to her audience) was that these 2 people had a copy of the immigration document. No need to fact find that they had it- she showed they had it.

In contrast all of the media stations that have covered this case have failed to even get a copy of Beth's "proof" that she said she had that indicated Joran kidnapped and raped Natalee. Yet they allowed her constant air time to make that accusation- again without doing ANY fact finding. Had they done their job up front, Beth would never have been allowed to even hint at what she was openly stating as fact- as we later learned from Beth herself- she never had those documents that she called "Proof". Even though she was allowed to state it as fact for years.

[resigned]

Deleted by YIF to restore margin.

Holloway Mom's Tearful Plea


July 14, 2005 3:44 PM


CBS News: Beth Holloway Twitty gave an emotional plea during a news conference to stop the release of young men connected to her missing daughter, Natalee.

[Linda in L.A.]

Resigned...now you know that must be skeeterized. We all know Beth never ever showed any emotion about Natalee.

[Linda in L.A.]

"The information taken" when covering the press conference, (which is what journalists do) was nothing more than showing an official document from the immigration records that was presented by these 2 people.

In contrast, a press conference was held by Beth with Jug Twitty in tow, where JK2 were named kidnappers, rapists, and murderers. (Which she later had to apologize for but still continued to say it from the U.S.) She has also knowingly lied and presented to the media various statements that turned out to be false.

Is that also the journalists fault for covering Beth's lies?
It is ONLY if statements are made that have no supporting evidence AND it is presented as fact.
It was presented as fact by Beth using many U.S. Media sources.

It is the job of a journalist to do fact finding if the journalist makes a conclusion. The only conclusion that Renee' G spoke of (and showed to her audience) was that these 2 people had a copy of the immigration document. No need to fact find that they had it- she showed they had it.

In contrast all of the media stations that have covered this case have failed to even get a copy of Beth's "proof" that she said she had that indicated Joran kidnapped and raped Natalee. Yet they allowed her constant air time to make that accusation- again without doing ANY fact finding. Had they done their job up front, Beth would never have been allowed to even hint at what she was openly stating as fact- as we later learned from Beth herself- she never had those documents that she called "Proof". Even though she was allowed to state it as fact for years.

Kinda makes a person ask themselves...if this is all true...just why is it no one except Dr. Phil has been sued. I mean there would be all that money from all those stations, Jug, Beth, Peter. Kind of odd no?

And even with Dr. Phil...why aren't they handing over the documents? That's odd also.

[plhtx1]

Resigned...now you know that must be skeeterized. We all know Beth never ever showed any emotion about Natalee.

I can tell you this, she broke down at a bridal shower she was giving and cried in front of the people there, about 2 weeks ago. She is still in pain and misses her daughter.

[AlwaysL8]

I can tell you this, she broke down at a bridal shower she was giving and cried in front of the people there, about 2 weeks ago. She is still in pain and misses her daughter.

Of course she is still in pain and misses her daughter. She will carry these feelings to her grave. Believe me, I know. Anyone who cannot see this is just cruel and heartless.

[Slickster]

I can tell you this, she broke down at a bridal shower she was giving and cried in front of the people there, about 2 weeks ago. She is still in pain and misses her daughter.

Was that Natalee's bridal shower?

[resigned]

Was that Natalee's bridal shower?

No - Just a memory of what might have been if Natalee's life hadn't been cut short on a graduation trip to "paradise".

[yankee-in-france]

Make that the DDDR Yif.

TIA.

Ever seen the movie "Goodbye Lenin"?

Thanks, Knipoog. Correction made, and no I haven't, but it looks like a good one.

[WordsofWisdom]

Kinda makes a person ask themselves...if this is all true...just why is it no one except Dr. Phil has been sued. I mean there would be all that money from all those stations, Jug, Beth, Peter. Kind of odd no?

No.

[WordsofWisdom]

As I previously posted about the HMI agenda /tactics/ playbook that has the same characteristics as the stories concocted and used in the playbook of Bush/Cheny/Rove/etc. to justify their actions and cover up the truth, and my question-
Do they use the same P.R. people?

After listening to the news this week concerning the outrage over a speech that Obabma has not even given yet- I have concluded that this is indeed the same tactics/ agenda/ playbook used in the attempt to discredit Ms. Geilen. The tactics are identical.

Before her documentary was even shown, and the content unknown, there were vicious attacks on her credibility as well as opinions on the content of that documentary- BEFORE the content was even known.
It could not be more obvious.

I will ask the question again-
Do they (HMI) use the same P.R. people?

[resigned]

I will ask the question again-
Do they (HMI) use the same P.R. people?

Who do you believe "they? (HMI) are?

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I think Aruba had crisis management people involved in PR on the island ASAP - one gal "switched up" in mid-stream though.

They even set-up a strategic task force - some PR "experts" idea , no doubt and diseminated their information on a website called the Aruba Truth

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t060403.html

[WordsofWisdom]

Who do you believe "they? (HMI) are?

That's irrelevant.

Whoever is driving this bus, or is a willing passenger- that is who HMI is.

Do they (HMI) use the same P.R. people?

[resigned]

That's irrelevant.

Whoever is driving this bus, or is a willing passenger- that is who HMI is.

Do they (HMI) use the same P.R. people?

So basically anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion is "them" HMI?


I don't believe there is any "HMI" PR inspired group -No Boiler Room Girls or morning talking points - I think it is either a myth or a deliberate lie probably instigated by the crisis management pr team that Aruba had from the get-go after-all - " The best defense is a good offense"

[WordsofWisdom]

So basically anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion is "them" HMI?

No that is not what I said, nor meant.

There are people involved in this that I do not agree with, but still consider and respect their opinion if it is supported using reasonable logic and facts.

[WordsofWisdom]

I don't believe there is any "HMI" PR inspired group -No Boiler Room Girls or morning talking points - I think it is either a myth or a deliberate lie probably instigated by the crisis management pr team that Aruba had from the get-go after-all - " The best defense is a good offense"

I DO believe it.
I have researched it and come to the conclusion that this case is almost entirely driven by P.R. manipulation techniques- the very same type that was and is used by those in and around the Bush Administration. The very place that Jug Twitty has "long fingers" to.

And lets not forget that Carla, Paul Reynold's wife, and "family spokesperson" after Marcia, is the P.R. person for Aruba.

[cajun_mali]

Not "skeeterized", but "peterized" (don't go there). It was a limited part of a video, not a cut and paste collage that Dr P showed.

Resigned...now you know that must be skeeterized. We all know Beth never ever showed any emotion about Natalee.

[WordsofWisdom]

I can tell you this, she broke down at a bridal shower she was giving and cried in front of the people there, about 2 weeks ago. She is still in pain and misses her daughter.

Does she have another daughter?
Why would Beth be giving a bridal shower for someone else's daughter?

There are a lot of things that Beth will never be able to do with Natalee. But that does not mean that Natalee is dead.

[Linda in L.A.]

No.

Not sure if your reply "No" is for the part about asking yourself a question or kind of odd.

Either way...I disagree!

[Linda in L.A.]

Does she have another daughter?
Why would Beth be giving a bridal shower for someone else's daughter?

There are a lot of things that Beth will never be able to do with Natalee. But that does not mean that Natalee is dead.

Why shouldn't Beth be giving a bridal shower?? For gawd's sake WoW...it could be someone older or it could be a niece...or whatever. I've given a lot of bridal showers for people who have mothers.

Why does everything have to be a negative?