Natalee should have gone to Australia...

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Postby CherokeeKid » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:06 pm

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CherokeeKid wrote:YIF, Jug Twitty's reaction might be because of his character, being an A Type personality how you describe it.

But, his reaction could also be from the kind of questions he was asked. As Bachus pointed out on June 5, just days after Natalee had disappeared, there were "disturbing circumstances the family was aware of". IMO, those questions were the reason for him getting ballistic.

ALE had also gathered a LOT of information before Jug Twitty was asked to give his statement. Add to that the very bizarre behavior of the Twittys: they said one thing to ALE and Aruban people via TV or radio announcement and then, they said the opposite on US National TV.

And: the Twittys claimed right from the start that "Natalee was kidnapped". They brought "Kidnapped" posters with them on the airplane. Why would they think their daughter was kidnapped? A question ALE was wondering about for sure. Then, you have Bearman making comments in interviews like "We had a good flight to Aruba, we were all laughing and joking but when our private jet hit the grounds of Aruba, Beth would put on her 'serious face'". What is THAT about? A complete contradiction! AGAIN!

There are many examples where the Twittys contradicted themselves, were they showed a very bizarre behavior to a point where they became suspicious. And they did not make any sense, IMO.


CK a/k/a Cherokea, :), give this a think: Natalee was a responsible young woman. Beth gets the call that she isn't there to make her flight. Beth knows that this is totally out of character for Natalee and that something is very wrong.

Scrap the 100 mph ride back to MB, lots of drama inserted on Beth's part. She has already called Jug and the plane has been arranged for (donated, contributed, loaned, whatever) and their friends (the Fab 7) went with for moral support. Natalee was missing. Something was wrong.

Now you're on a plane with the Mom and step-Dad of the missing young woman. Are you really going to start a conversation about have you considered that she is dead or to create a calmer scenario, might you say when we get a hold of her .... in order to make the Mom of the missing young woman feel better about this dreadful situation that no parent anywhere would want to go through.

Beth knew that Natalee didn't just go off. She was hoping against hope and sadly it was too late. Perhaps with ALE spewing the she'll show up routine, just maybe that was more preferable to believe than my daughter is most likely dead and I will never see her again.

ETA Yes, there are contradictions but Beth and Jug were not there. You know that. If they were, and ALE doesn't know that, well, what can I say. If they did know it, that would have been known.

More importantly and more bizarre are the lies told by three supposedly innocent young men. Yes, we have all heard that those lies were because of fright and fear and inconsequential. Innocent people do not lie and continue to lie in a case involving a missing young woman. They might with a minor infraction, not IMO in what might be a murder case.

If they didn't know her fate, they wouldn't have known that she wasn't murdered or a victim of foul play and that they would be the prime suspects because of their lies and inconsistent statements.


Now YIF, don't make that sound as if I had an alter ego! :shock: :lol:

The thing is: whatever Beth Twitty says, it can NOT be believed, IMO. There were too many occasions where she claimed one thing and later it turns out, the opposite is the case!

Some of the MB students said that Natalee was the "leader" of their group. That she was a wild one. That she had to chase after a bus in order to catch it. I have also heard from locals while I was the first time on Aruba that Natalee had left her group many times and was on her own. Her behavior while on Aruba was wild. She was excessively drinking, was in possession of cocaine and according to Peter DeVries' first show (before he teamed up with Beth Twitty), he revealed that Natalee had offered cocaine to others (friends? roommates? I'm not sure).

The way, Beth Twitty acted, to be in such a hurry to rush down to Aruba indicates to me, that she KNEW some kind of trouble was going on. IMO, NOT just because she did not show up in the morning in the lobby. I believe, there were problems before Natalee went to Aruba. I also believe, Beth Twitty and Natalee spoke over the phone and more trouble had come up. Natalee told Joran she did not want to go back to Alabama. Now, Joran lied a lot. BUT, I would say, Natalee told the same thing to her friends during her Aruba stay. However, Beth Twitty claimed she was NOT in touch with Natalee. According to Joe Tacopina, she had lied about this.

When the Twittys and the posse rushed to Aruba, they did not take lots of clothes with them. One stated they did not expect to stay for a longer period of time. They thought, they can go down there, get Natalee and go home right away.

What does that indicate? IMO, that they did NOT think Natalee was kidnapped but tried to use this to INTIMIDATE whoever was hiding Natalee. Beth Twitty was CONVINCED that Natalee was in the VDS home! She wanted police to go in that same night that the posse arrived in Aruba and went to the VDS home! The acted like "Cowboys". They were yelling and threatening, trying to scare and intimidate! They started out with a LIE the minute they set foot on Aruba! Which raised a lot of red flags for ALE, I'm sure.

It's right that the Twittys were not on Aruba when Natalee disappeared. However, when a person goes missing, there are always several scenarios what could have caused it: did she run away? Did she commit suicide? Had she health problems and died accidentally? Was a crime committed against her? ect. Law enforcement ALWAYS looks at the family first! No matter if they were there or not. We have many cases here at RU where family members are questioned. They do not have to be suspects but they need to fully cooperate with LE so that LE gets knowledge which what kind of person they are dealing with and if there is a CAUSE why this person went missing.

You described Jug Twitty's personality, being an A Type. Joran had also problems BEFORE Natalee went missing: he had problems with telling the truth, he lied a lot about even small things. When the posse arrived at their home, Paul VDS demanded Joran to TELL THE TRUTH! Charles Croes did a great job when he took Joran to the side, talked to him, got info out of him and just when Joran started to open up, one of the drunk posse guys yelled "You Aruban assholes..." and everything was over then. I don't know if Joran would have told everything right then and there, we will never know, as this chance is gone thanks to this posse guy.
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I can imagine that he got ballistic on more than just one occasion.

And thanks for looking up that interview. Yes, it clearly states that ALE was asking questions about family problems etc. Which is 101.

But what is the big deal? Why can he not answer ALE's questions but goes a month later on TV? :?

Do you remember when he left Aruba? Did he give this interview when he was out of ALE's jurisdiction? I bet so.



I would imagine that he was frustrated at the progress of the investigation and yes reacted accordingly at times.

Why should he answer those nonsense questions? That was when Jansen was pursuing internet rumors......what a joke - I would have told her to shove it if she asked me about life insurance- what in the hell does that even insinuate? That Jug offed Natalee for a million dolllars?..... and he was supposed to take those questions seriously? Was Beth related to Hitler?...what a farce. Meanwhile the people that were in the yard the first night - listening to what Joran and Paulus had to say - hadn't even all been questioned. Even Paulus wasn't questioned until June 18 - how slow do they move down there?

If Jug was trying to hide anything do you think that he would have rather talked about it on National tv - or just simply give bullshit answers to ALE when asked...he was pissed at the lack of progress and the insinuation that it was the family's fault.....that interview was on 9/27/05 - He was in Aruban jurisdiction plenty long for ALE to arrest or detain him if they had any reasonable suspicion to do so ------------------they didn't.
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CherokeeKid wrote:
yankee-in-france wrote:
CherokeeKid wrote:YIF, Jug Twitty's reaction might be because of his character, being an A Type personality how you describe it.

But, his reaction could also be from the kind of questions he was asked. As Bachus pointed out on June 5, just days after Natalee had disappeared, there were "disturbing circumstances the family was aware of". IMO, those questions were the reason for him getting ballistic.

ALE had also gathered a LOT of information before Jug Twitty was asked to give his statement. Add to that the very bizarre behavior of the Twittys: they said one thing to ALE and Aruban people via TV or radio announcement and then, they said the opposite on US National TV.

And: the Twittys claimed right from the start that "Natalee was kidnapped". They brought "Kidnapped" posters with them on the airplane. Why would they think their daughter was kidnapped? A question ALE was wondering about for sure. Then, you have Bearman making comments in interviews like "We had a good flight to Aruba, we were all laughing and joking but when our private jet hit the grounds of Aruba, Beth would put on her 'serious face'". What is THAT about? A complete contradiction! AGAIN!

There are many examples where the Twittys contradicted themselves, were they showed a very bizarre behavior to a point where they became suspicious. And they did not make any sense, IMO.


CK a/k/a Cherokea, :), give this a think: Natalee was a responsible young woman. Beth gets the call that she isn't there to make her flight. Beth knows that this is totally out of character for Natalee and that something is very wrong.

Scrap the 100 mph ride back to MB, lots of drama inserted on Beth's part. She has already called Jug and the plane has been arranged for (donated, contributed, loaned, whatever) and their friends (the Fab 7) went with for moral support. Natalee was missing. Something was wrong.

Now you're on a plane with the Mom and step-Dad of the missing young woman. Are you really going to start a conversation about have you considered that she is dead or to create a calmer scenario, might you say when we get a hold of her .... in order to make the Mom of the missing young woman feel better about this dreadful situation that no parent anywhere would want to go through.

Beth knew that Natalee didn't just go off. She was hoping against hope and sadly it was too late. Perhaps with ALE spewing the she'll show up routine, just maybe that was more preferable to believe than my daughter is most likely dead and I will never see her again.

ETA Yes, there are contradictions but Beth and Jug were not there. You know that. If they were, and ALE doesn't know that, well, what can I say. If they did know it, that would have been known.

More importantly and more bizarre are the lies told by three supposedly innocent young men. Yes, we have all heard that those lies were because of fright and fear and inconsequential. Innocent people do not lie and continue to lie in a case involving a missing young woman. They might with a minor infraction, not IMO in what might be a murder case.

If they didn't know her fate, they wouldn't have known that she wasn't murdered or a victim of foul play and that they would be the prime suspects because of their lies and inconsistent statements.


Now YIF, don't make that sound as if I had an alter ego! :shock: :lol:

The thing is: whatever Beth Twitty says, it can NOT be believed, IMO. There were too many occasions where she claimed one thing and later it turns out, the opposite is the case!

Some of the MB students said that Natalee was the "leader" of their group. That she was a wild one. That she had to chase after a bus in order to catch it. I have also heard from locals while I was the first time on Aruba that Natalee had left her group many times and was on her own. Her behavior while on Aruba was wild. She was excessively drinking, was in possession of cocaine and according to Peter DeVries' first show (before he teamed up with Beth Twitty), he revealed that Natalee had offered cocaine to others (friends? roommates? I'm not sure).

The way, Beth Twitty acted, to be in such a hurry to rush down to Aruba indicates to me, that she KNEW some kind of trouble was going on. IMO, NOT just because she did not show up in the morning in the lobby. I believe, there were problems before Natalee went to Aruba. I also believe, Beth Twitty and Natalee spoke over the phone and more trouble had come up. Natalee told Joran she did not want to go back to Alabama. Now, Joran lied a lot. BUT, I would say, Natalee told the same thing to her friends during her Aruba stay. However, Beth Twitty claimed she was NOT in touch with Natalee. According to Joe Tacopina, she had lied about this.

When the Twittys and the posse rushed to Aruba, they did not take lots of clothes with them. One stated they did not expect to stay for a longer period of time. They thought, they can go down there, get Natalee and go home right away.

What does that indicate? IMO, that they did NOT think Natalee was kidnapped but tried to use this to INTIMIDATE whoever was hiding Natalee. Beth Twitty was CONVINCED that Natalee was in the VDS home! She wanted police to go in that same night that the posse arrived in Aruba and went to the VDS home! The acted like "Cowboys". They were yelling and threatening, trying to scare and intimidate! They started out with a LIE the minute they set foot on Aruba! Which raised a lot of red flags for ALE, I'm sure.

It's right that the Twittys were not on Aruba when Natalee disappeared. However, when a person goes missing, there are always several scenarios what could have caused it: did she run away? Did she commit suicide? Had she health problems and died accidentally? Was a crime committed against her? ect. Law enforcement ALWAYS looks at the family first! No matter if they were there or not. We have many cases here at RU where family members are questioned. They do not have to be suspects but they need to fully cooperate with LE so that LE gets knowledge which what kind of person they are dealing with and if there is a CAUSE why this person went missing.

You described Jug Twitty's personality, being an A Type. Joran had also problems BEFORE Natalee went missing: he had problems with telling the truth, he lied a lot about even small things. When the posse arrived at their home, Paul VDS demanded Joran to TELL THE TRUTH! Charles Croes did a great job when he took Joran to the side, talked to him, got info out of him and just when Joran started to open up, one of the drunk posse guys yelled "You Aruban assholes..." and everything was over then. I don't know if Joran would have told everything right then and there, we will never know, as this chance is gone thanks to this posse guy.


Charles Croes wasn't ALE and therefore Joran's chat to him was worthless...... he never admitted to any sex in any of his statements - so the story goes.


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"Did you have sex with her?" Croes asked.

"Yeah," Joran said. "She gave me a blow job."

"Where'd that happen?"

"In the backseat of the car."

"So where'd you take her?"

"I took her to the lighthouse. For a while. We didn't get out."

According to Croes, Joran said that Deepak was increasingly uncomfortable at the lighthouse, fearful that Natalee would "make a mess" in the car, presumably by vomiting. Croes could feel Joran opening up; he appeared to be on the verge of an admission. Then, from the driveway, the voice of one of the Alabama men rose: "Well, you Aruban assholes better get your act together, and now!" (Jug Twitty, while acknowledging his group's impatience, denies the word "asshole" was used.)
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Postby yankee-in-france » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:32 pm

CherokeeKid wrote:
yankee-in-france wrote:
CherokeeKid wrote:YIF, Jug Twitty's reaction might be because of his character, being an A Type personality how you describe it.

But, his reaction could also be from the kind of questions he was asked. As Bachus pointed out on June 5, just days after Natalee had disappeared, there were "disturbing circumstances the family was aware of". IMO, those questions were the reason for him getting ballistic.

ALE had also gathered a LOT of information before Jug Twitty was asked to give his statement. Add to that the very bizarre behavior of the Twittys: they said one thing to ALE and Aruban people via TV or radio announcement and then, they said the opposite on US National TV.

And: the Twittys claimed right from the start that "Natalee was kidnapped". They brought "Kidnapped" posters with them on the airplane. Why would they think their daughter was kidnapped? A question ALE was wondering about for sure. Then, you have Bearman making comments in interviews like "We had a good flight to Aruba, we were all laughing and joking but when our private jet hit the grounds of Aruba, Beth would put on her 'serious face'". What is THAT about? A complete contradiction! AGAIN!

There are many examples where the Twittys contradicted themselves, were they showed a very bizarre behavior to a point where they became suspicious. And they did not make any sense, IMO.


CK a/k/a Cherokea, :), give this a think: Natalee was a responsible young woman. Beth gets the call that she isn't there to make her flight. Beth knows that this is totally out of character for Natalee and that something is very wrong.

Scrap the 100 mph ride back to MB, lots of drama inserted on Beth's part. She has already called Jug and the plane has been arranged for (donated, contributed, loaned, whatever) and their friends (the Fab 7) went with for moral support. Natalee was missing. Something was wrong.

Now you're on a plane with the Mom and step-Dad of the missing young woman. Are you really going to start a conversation about have you considered that she is dead or to create a calmer scenario, might you say when we get a hold of her .... in order to make the Mom of the missing young woman feel better about this dreadful situation that no parent anywhere would want to go through.

Beth knew that Natalee didn't just go off. She was hoping against hope and sadly it was too late. Perhaps with ALE spewing the she'll show up routine, just maybe that was more preferable to believe than my daughter is most likely dead and I will never see her again.

ETA Yes, there are contradictions but Beth and Jug were not there. You know that. If they were, and ALE doesn't know that, well, what can I say. If they did know it, that would have been known.

More importantly and more bizarre are the lies told by three supposedly innocent young men. Yes, we have all heard that those lies were because of fright and fear and inconsequential. Innocent people do not lie and continue to lie in a case involving a missing young woman. They might with a minor infraction, not IMO in what might be a murder case.

If they didn't know her fate, they wouldn't have known that she wasn't murdered or a victim of foul play and that they would be the prime suspects because of their lies and inconsistent statements.


Now YIF, don't make that sound as if I had an alter ego! :shock: :lol:

The thing is: whatever Beth Twitty says, it can NOT be believed, IMO. There were too many occasions where she claimed one thing and later it turns out, the opposite is the case!

Some of the MB students said that Natalee was the "leader" of their group. That she was a wild one. That she had to chase after a bus in order to catch it. I have also heard from locals while I was the first time on Aruba that Natalee had left her group many times and was on her own. Her behavior while on Aruba was wild. She was excessively drinking, was in possession of cocaine and according to Peter DeVries' first show (before he teamed up with Beth Twitty), he revealed that Natalee had offered cocaine to others (friends? roommates? I'm not sure).

The way, Beth Twitty acted, to be in such a hurry to rush down to Aruba indicates to me, that she KNEW some kind of trouble was going on. IMO, NOT just because she did not show up in the morning in the lobby. I believe, there were problems before Natalee went to Aruba. I also believe, Beth Twitty and Natalee spoke over the phone and more trouble had come up. Natalee told Joran she did not want to go back to Alabama. Now, Joran lied a lot. BUT, I would say, Natalee told the same thing to her friends during her Aruba stay. However, Beth Twitty claimed she was NOT in touch with Natalee. According to Joe Tacopina, she had lied about this.

When the Twittys and the posse rushed to Aruba, they did not take lots of clothes with them. One stated they did not expect to stay for a longer period of time. They thought, they can go down there, get Natalee and go home right away.

What does that indicate? IMO, that they did NOT think Natalee was kidnapped but tried to use this to INTIMIDATE whoever was hiding Natalee. Beth Twitty was CONVINCED that Natalee was in the VDS home! She wanted police to go in that same night that the posse arrived in Aruba and went to the VDS home! The acted like "Cowboys". They were yelling and threatening, trying to scare and intimidate! They started out with a LIE the minute they set foot on Aruba! Which raised a lot of red flags for ALE, I'm sure.

It's right that the Twittys were not on Aruba when Natalee disappeared. However, when a person goes missing, there are always several scenarios what could have caused it: did she run away? Did she commit suicide? Had she health problems and died accidentally? Was a crime committed against her? ect. Law enforcement ALWAYS looks at the family first! No matter if they were there or not. We have many cases here at RU where family members are questioned. They do not have to be suspects but they need to fully cooperate with LE so that LE gets knowledge which what kind of person they are dealing with and if there is a CAUSE why this person went missing.

You described Jug Twitty's personality, being an A Type. Joran had also problems BEFORE Natalee went missing: he had problems with telling the truth, he lied a lot about even small things. When the posse arrived at their home, Paul VDS demanded Joran to TELL THE TRUTH! Charles Croes did a great job when he took Joran to the side, talked to him, got info out of him and just when Joran started to open up, one of the drunk posse guys yelled "You Aruban assholes..." and everything was over then. I don't know if Joran would have told everything right then and there, we will never know, as this chance is gone thanks to this posse guy.


It's late here. I'll think about this in the morning. Have a good evening, CK.
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Postby CherokeeKid » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:46 pm

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It's late here. I'll think about this in the morning. Have a good evening, CK.


It's late here, too, YIF. I have to get started with some work and run some errants. Sleep well, YIF.

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CK wrote:


Natalee told the same thing to her friends during her Aruba stay. However, Beth Twitty claimed she was NOT in touch with Natalee. According to Joe Tacopina, she had lied about this.



And has Joe shown proof of that?
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Postby plhtx1 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:54 pm

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CK wrote:


Natalee told the same thing to her friends during her Aruba stay. However, Beth Twitty claimed she was NOT in touch with Natalee. According to Joe Tacopina, she had lied about this.



And has Joe shown proof of that?


LMAO.....of course not. There could have been one trying to call the other, but no contact ever made. Beth claimed she never talked to Natalee while she was in Aruba. I wonder how come no one can come up with a record of this so called contact with each other?
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It's late here, too, YIF. I have to get started with some work and run some errants. Sleep well, YIF.

Pat, I'll answer you later.



Thanks - but you don't have to . It is obvious that you believe all the rumors that have been put out.....I think it is simply a case of boy meets girl and something bad happened and someone panicked - all this other crap is just fluff.....why not check and see what else was going on around June 29 that got Jug so pissed.....chicken/egg - Beth and Jug weren't stupid - they knew who was exaggerating conversations looking to shift attention away from Joran.. It stunk then and it stinks now.



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Name/Title/Description: Interview with George Jug Twitty
Date: 06/23/2005
Pages: 4
File #:163a-bb-1426-304
Location: Palm Beach, Aruba
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:39 pm

K_Meine wrote: 20x before at least. :shock:


Your point?

There are plenty of pics of the students in private homes and public places drinking underage...

So what is the point about Joran?
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Postby plhtx1 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:57 pm

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Thanks - but you don't have to . It is obvious that you believe all the rumors that have been put out.....I think it is simply a case of boy meets girl and something bad happened and someone panicked - all this other crap is just fluff.....why not check and see what else was going on around June 29 that got Jug so pissed.....chicken/egg - Beth and Jug weren't stupid - they knew who was exaggerating conversations looking to shift attention away from Joran.. It stunk then and it stinks now.



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Name/Title/Description: Interview with George Jug Twitty
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4 pages....LMAO......but, but, but Jug refused to give a statement
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4 pages....LMAO......but, but, but Jug refused to give a statement


That isn't the only one either.

They may have questioned Jug more than Paulus -I dunno :lol: Mr. mild- mannered who didn't say asshole. ..Just a delight to work with at the OM.
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That isn't the only one either.

They may have questioned Jug more than Paulus -I dunno :lol: Mr. mild- mannered who didn't say asshole. ..Just a delight to work with at the OM.


I still have those visions of Paulus scurrying away from the police station like a rat!
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I still have those visions of Paulus scurrying away from the police station like a rat!



Interesting.... in retrospect -

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Postby WordsofWisdom » Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:38 pm

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Name: George (Jug) Twitty
Date: 29 June 2005 / 10:40
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Fleur Tramp
Description: transcript of a refusal to give a witness statement


Is this really new information to you?

Jug wasn't on Aruba when Natalee disappeared - he has never been named as suspect by any LE in the case.

Well "WE" don't know that.


I wonder why they waited until June 29, 2005 to ask him for a statement....what was it in reference to?

Where was Jug during that entire time?
Was he on the Island the entire time?
Seems to me he left several times to go back to work.
He wasn't staying in Beth's room... did ALE know where to find him?
IIRC he went to Venezula once, and also to Barbados or Bahamas.


What happened specifically at that time that the ALE would have wanted to speak to him?

Why does it take two pages to transcribe a refusal to make a statement?

Probably to list all the curse words and the damaged furniture. :lol:


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Postby CancunMole » Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:58 pm

WordsofWisdom wrote:
K_Meine wrote:20x before at least.


Your point?

There are plenty of pics of the students in private homes and public places drinking underage...

So what is the point about Joran?


While I am not K_Meine, I do have what I believe is a possible explanation and theory for what JvdS MAY have been implying/indicating when he made the statement about having done this 20X or more and nothing bad had happened....

I have come to think that it was a game of sorts with the "local, pimp" boys to, when they found out that a tourist girl was going to be going home the next day, pick her up alone, give her something, do what they wanted and quite possibly even video it, and then drop her back off at her hotel. No harm, no foul because most of the 'victims' simply wouldn't remember what had happened and would go on to get their flight and go on their merry way back home with no knowledge of what had been done to them.

Then, this one time, the 21st or +, the girl had a bad reaction, possibly to what they gave her along with what she had been drinking and maybe even along with whatever meds she may have been taking, and BINGO.... "SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED" that had never happened in all those other times.....

Something that could and would RUIN everything planned for the future and had to be "taken care of pronto".
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Postby AlwaysL8 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:00 pm

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While I am not K_Meine, I do have what I believe is a possible explanation and theory for what JvdS MAY have been implying/indicating when he made the statement about having done this 20X or more and nothing bad had happened....

I have come to think that it was a game of sorts with the "local, pimp" boys to, when they found out that a tourist girl was going to be going home the next day, pick her up alone, give her something, do what they wanted and quite possibly even video it, and then drop her back off at her hotel. No harm, no foul because most of the 'victims' simply wouldn't remember what had happened and would go on to get their flight and go on their merry way back home with no knowledge of what had been done to them.

Then, this one time, the 21st or +, the girl had a bad reaction, possibly to what they gave her along with what she had been drinking and maybe even along with whatever meds she may have been taking, and BINGO.... "SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED" that had never happened in all those other times.....

Something that could and would RUIN everything planned for the future and had to be "taken care of pronto".


Yep. I think it was something like this also. I also believe that Paulus (maybe even Anita) knew exactly what happened and were deep into making Natalee be gone for good, with a little help from one or two others in key positions either as called-in favors or $$$ (how much money do you have?).
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Postby yankee-in-france » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:06 am

I don't think that Paul and Anita are involved to that extent. If they were, their son wouldn't be running around naked flapping his mouth.
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Postby Linda in L.A. » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:20 am

yankee-in-france wrote:I don't think that Paul and Anita are involved to that extent. If they were, their son wouldn't be running around naked flapping his mouth.


Hi YIF...I don't think they were involved to that extent either...but think that's exactly what Joran would be doing if they are. He doesn't seem to have a whole lot of respect for his parents and I don't think he would be trying to protect them.
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Postby LoRain » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:48 am

Or himself or anyone else for that matter....IMO....
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Postby resigned » Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:23 pm

yankee-in-france wrote:I don't think that Paul and Anita are involved to that extent. If they were, their son wouldn't be running around naked flapping his mouth.



Why -it appears he hadn't listened to them for years? If they did use their influence just a tad to have arrests delayed or searches limited - Joran seems like a big enough prick to hold it over their heads. He's got to be getting money from somewhere nowadays.
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Postby plhtx1 » Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:45 pm

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Why -it appears he hadn't listened to them for years? If they did use their influence just a tad to have arrests delayed or searches limited - Joran seems like a big enough prick to hold it over their heads. He's got to be getting money from somewhere nowadays.


Maybe, Joran has finally made it to professional gambler status, although, don't know how good he would be. He sure kept getting eliminated from those Tx. holdem tournaments! :wink:
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:30 am

AlwaysL8 wrote:
Yep. I think it was something like this also. I also believe that Paulus (maybe even Anita) knew exactly what happened and were deep into making Natalee be gone for good, with a little help from one or two others in key positions either as called-in favors or $$$ (how much money do you have?).


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The way I see it..........

Your theory would be correct, - if you changed the names to Beth and Jug.
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:35 am

CancunMole wrote:
While I am not K_Meine, I do have what I believe is a possible explanation and theory for what JvdS MAY have been implying/indicating when he made the statement about having done this 20X or more and nothing bad had happened....

I have come to think that it was a game of sorts with the "local, pimp" boys to, when they found out that a tourist girl was going to be going home the next day, pick her up alone, give her something, do what they wanted and quite possibly even video it, and then drop her back off at her hotel. No harm, no foul because most of the 'victims' simply wouldn't remember what had happened and would go on to get their flight and go on their merry way back home with no knowledge of what had been done to them.

Then, this one time, the 21st or +, the girl had a bad reaction, possibly to what they gave her along with what she had been drinking and maybe even along with whatever meds she may have been taking, and BINGO.... "SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED" that had never happened in all those other times.....

Something that could and would RUIN everything planned for the future and had to be "taken care of pronto".


Nahhh.
Not enough time elapsed for that.

"maybe even along with whatever meds she may have been taking"


What Meds? Beth denied there were any medications. In spite of the pill bottle shown in her room.
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