Natalee Ann Holloway - "Missing for 4 years"

[WordsofWisdom]

Why shouldn't Beth be giving a bridal shower?? For gawd's sake WoW...it could be someone older or it could be a niece...or whatever. I've given a lot of bridal showers for people who have mothers.

Why does everything have to be a negative?

Negative?
That wasn't negative...
It was a question.
Why must you interpret everything I say as negative?

It's unusual... so I asked.

[WordsofWisdom]

Resigned...now you know that must be skeeterized. We all know Beth never ever showed any emotion about Natalee.

Isn't the date on that June 4th?
That's after the raid on the choller house, correct?

[resigned]

Isn't the date on that June 4th?
That's after the raid on the choller house, correct?

No.


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[Linda in L.A.]

Negative?
That wasn't negative...
It was a question.
Why must you interpret everything I say as negative?

It's unusual... so I asked.

It is NOT unusual that a mother doesn't give the bridal shower WoW. How many showers have you been to? I don't think I've ever been to one where the mother gave it unless no one in the bridal party could give it or a close friend.

Baby shower...yes...I've seen that. But I am not the one interpreting everything you say as being negative. It is what it is...and your pointing out the way you did about Beth giving the shower seemed negative to me. If it wasn't meant that way...that's great.

[plhtx1]

Does she have another daughter?
Why would Beth be giving a bridal shower for someone else's daughter?

There are a lot of things that Beth will never be able to do with Natalee. But that does not mean that Natalee is dead.

You have to be kidding, right? OMG......lots of mothers give showers for friend's daughters.

[plhtx1]

Why shouldn't Beth be giving a bridal shower?? For gawd's sake WoW...it could be someone older or it could be a niece...or whatever. I've given a lot of bridal showers for people who have mothers.

Why does everything have to be a negative?

Unbelievable!

[WordsofWisdom]

It is NOT unusual that a mother doesn't give the bridal shower WoW. How many showers have you been to? I don't think I've ever been to one where the mother gave it unless no one in the bridal party could give it or a close friend.

Baby shower...yes...I've seen that. But I am not the one interpreting everything you say as being negative. It is what it is...and your pointing out the way you did about Beth giving the shower seemed negative to me. If it wasn't meant that way...that's great.

Then it must be great.

[LoRain]

I DO believe it.
I have researched it and come to the conclusion that this case is almost entirely driven by P.R. manipulation techniques- the very same type that was and is used by those in and around the Bush Administration. The very place that Jug Twitty has "long fingers" to.

And lets not forget that Carla, Paul Reynold's wife, and "family spokesperson" after Marcia, is the P.R. person for Aruba.

I thought she WAS the P.R. for Aruba....or did she just simply transfer locations??....

[LoRain]

Was that Natalee's bridal shower?

Personal question that you don't even have to answer Slickster...."Do YOU have a daughter??"....

[Heli]

It is NOT unusual that a mother doesn't give the bridal shower WoW. How many showers have you been to? I don't think I've ever been to one where the mother gave it unless no one in the bridal party could give it or a close friend.
Baby shower...yes...I've seen that. But I am not the one interpreting everything you say as being negative. It is what it is...and your pointing out the way you did about Beth giving the shower seemed negative to me. If it wasn't meant that way...that's great.

It is not appropriate for the mother of the bride or sisters of the bride to host a bridal shower. In fact, it's viewed as a social faux pas as it appears you are asking for gifts for your own family.

Regional customs generally dictate I suppose, but I think most sources would concur that mothers and sisters should never host a shower for the bride.

[AC]

It is not appropriate for the mother of the bride or sisters of the bride to host a bridal shower. In fact, it's viewed as a social faux pas as it appears you are asking for gifts for your own family.

Regional customs generally dictate I suppose, but I think most sources would concur that mothers and sisters should never host a shower for the bride.

In my area, it's usually the bridesmaids that throw a shower....so if the only bridesmaids are the sisters, it's appropriate. Times have changed so much from long ago.

[yankee-in-france]

In my area, it's usually the bridesmaids that throw a shower....so if the only bridesmaids are the sisters, it's appropriate. Times have changed so much from long ago.

Yep, that's the way it was in the Chicago area too.

[Linda in L.A.]

Yep, that's the way it was in the Chicago area too.

Same here in Los Angeles. Not sure what area WoW is in...but here...its not the Mother of the Bride for sure.

[WordsofWisdom]

I thought she WAS the P.R. for Aruba....or did she just simply transfer locations??....

Last I heard she was STILL representing the the PR for Aruba- AND she STILL lives in New York.

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DESCRIPTION

Age: 18 (at the time of her disappearance) Hair: Blonde
Sex: Female Eyes: Blue
Height: 5'4" Race: White
Weight: 110 pounds Complexion: Medium
Remarks: Natalee Holloway was last seen wearing a blue, denim mini-skirt; a multi-colored halter top; and black flip-flop sandals.

[iquitos]

who "last saw her" that's not talking?

[WordsofWisdom]

last seen by whom? who "last saw her" that's not talking?

And "where" was she last seen?

Just because the students "last saw her" at C&C's does not mean she was "last seen" by the students-
Nor that she was "last seen" at C&C's.

Just because JK2 "last saw her" at the beach does not mean she was "last seen" by JK2.
Nor that she was "last seen" at the beach.

[Linda in L.A.]

And "where" was she last seen?

Just because the students "last saw her" at C&C's does not mean she was "last seen" by the students-
Nor that she was "last seen" at C&C's.

Just because JK2 "last saw her" at the beach does not mean she was "last seen" by JK2.
Nor that she was "last seen" at the beach.

C'mon WoW...do you have any reliable information that Natalee was seen after getting into the car at C&C's. You keep saying you want to find the truth but then you start up with things like this.

It is the "KNOWN" and "PROVEN" last time and place she was seen. Could she have been seen somewhere else...sure she could. But you know as well as I do...if she had...and there was proof...it would be all over the news. I'm not talking about the "missing" tapes or the girl at the convenience store who funny thing...her face was never seen.

If you know of something else and its been proven...put it out there please.

[WordsofWisdom]

C'mon WoW...do you have any reliable information that Natalee was seen after getting into the car at C&C's. You keep saying you want to find the truth but then you start up with things like this.

It is the "KNOWN" and "PROVEN" last time and place she was seen. Could she have been seen somewhere else...sure she could. But you know as well as I do...if she had...and there was proof...it would be all over the news. I'm not talking about the "missing" tapes or the girl at the convenience store who funny thing...her face was never seen.

If you know of something else and its been proven...put it out there please.

Linda- common sense will tell you that unless you are Natalee Holloway yourself- no one knows who is/was the last person to see her. Thats a fact. You can not get around that.

Nothing has been "proven" and no facts exist that the statement is true, and no one can proclaim it as "known" simply because it can not be proven.

Common Sense.

[WordsofWisdom]

Could she have been seen somewhere else...sure she could.

My point exactly.

But you know as well as I do...if she had...and there was proof...it would be all over the news.

Only if the proof was known by the media.

[Linda in L.A.]

Linda- common sense will tell you that unless you are Natalee Holloway yourself- no one knows who is/was the last person to see her. Thats a fact. You can not get around that.

Nothing has been "proven" and no facts exist that the statement is true, and no one can proclaim it as "known" simply because it can not be proven.

Common Sense.

WoW...the term "last known" or "last seen" is in every single missing person's case. The law doesn't work on "common sense" it works on facts. At this point...facts are...Natalee was last seen getting into a car with JK2 at CnC's. You can talk around that all you want. You can say common sense dictates its possible we don't know if that was the last she was seen. BUT...at this time...Natalee WAS last seen with JK2 at CnC's.

I'll agree with you that nothing has been proven. Not that no facts exist. As for saying no one can proclaim it...you need to talk with ALE. They seem to think its the case OR they know its not and aren't releasing that information.

My question to you is...why is it ok with you to insist this isn't true...but you can't (or won't) allow yourself to think outside of the box that Joran may have been involved in this? And sorry if this wasn't you...but how can you think that may not have been Natalee that got into the car that night? It amazes me.

If you were asking let's discuss all possibilities...hey...I'd love that. But you tend not to really want to discuss...but rather to state your case and that's that. Well...its just not always as you or I or anyone else thinks. That's the real truth.

[WordsofWisdom]

WoW...the term "last known" or "last seen" is in every single missing person's case. The law doesn't work on "common sense" it works on facts. At this point...facts are...Natalee was last seen getting into a car with JK2 at CnC's. You can talk around that all you want. You can say common sense dictates its possible we don't know if that was the last she was seen. BUT...at this time...Natalee WAS last seen with JK2 at CnC's.

No- the facts are that the statement that Natalee was "last known" or "last seen" is based on information available to whomever constructed the document at the time.

What is also a fact is that someone ELSE could have been the "last known" or "last seen" to be with her but no witness' have publicly come forward.

I'll agree with you that nothing has been proven. Not that no facts exist. As for saying no one can proclaim it...you need to talk with ALE. They seem to think its the case OR they know its not and aren't releasing that information.

My question to you is...why is it ok with you to insist this isn't true...but you can't (or won't) allow yourself to think outside of the box that Joran may have been involved in this? And sorry if this wasn't you...but how can you think that may not have been Natalee that got into the car that night? It amazes me.

I am not " insisting this isn't true" I am pointing out that it is not a FACT. There is a difference.
I do not know if it is true or not, because it is not a FACT.

As for Joran's guilt or not- my entire premise is simple- There is no evidence that a crime was committed- therefore there is no evidence that Joran committed a crime.

As for Natalee getting into the car- there is also no evidence that it was Natalee, but there are many reasons that point to that girl being someone else. I have posted those reasons. Nothing amazing about it... it really is simple logic and common sense.




If you were asking let's discuss all possibilities...hey...I'd love that. But you tend not to really want to discuss...but rather to state your case and that's that. Well...its just not always as you or I or anyone else thinks. That's the real truth.


I am open to discussion... See my threads about "the tall boy"... its when it turns into a slap and insult festival that I stop discussing.